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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12.A Community Center open house input and options duscussion General Business 12. A. SHAKOPEE TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Jamie Polley, Parks & Recreation Director DATE: 06/16/2015 SUBJECT: Community Center Open House Input and Options Discussion (A, B, D) Action Sought The City Council is asked to review the feedback received from the open houses and determine how it would like to proceed. Background On May 6th the City Council reviewed five options resulting from the consultant study for the Community Center and set the dates for three open houses that provided the public with the opportunity to come and see the proposed plans and options, ask questions and offer feedback. The open houses were held on Thursday, May 28 at the Community Center, Monday, June 1 at Sun Path Elementary and Wednesday, June 3 at Eagle Creek Elementary. The options presented were: Option A: •New two sheet ice arena on land that does not have to be purchased •Remodeled Community Center including expanded fitness, indoor playground and child care •Aquatic facility in the existing ice arena shell Option B: •New two sheet ice arena on land that does not have to be purchased •Remodel of Community Center including expanded fitness, indoor playground and child care •Athletic space in the existing ice arena shell (no aquatic facility) Option C: •New two sheet ice arena on land that does not have to be purchased •Remodel of Community Center including expanded fitness, indoor playground and child care •Do nothing with the existing ice arena shell at this time Option D: •New two sheet ice arena on land that does not have to be purchased • Operate the Community Center as it is today •Do nothing with the existing ice arena shell at this time Option E: •Update the current ice arena refrigeration system only • Operate the Community Center and ice arena as they are today Discussion Council members and members of the Parks & Recreation Advisory Board attended all three open houses and heard directly from the residents. Residents attending the open houses were asked to complete a comment form that had them rank the options (1=1st choice- 5 = last choice), indicate how important they feel a dedicated senior space is to them and how important they feel it is that the community get to vote on the completion and funding of the option chosen. Residents also had the opportunity to review the options and complete the comment form on the City's website. All the comment forms were compiled and put into a spreadsheet for your review, see attached. In summary: • 189 respondents completed the comment form. 100 from the open houses and 89 online. • 120 respondents listed Option A as their first choice. 39 listed Option B, 2 listed Option C, 4 listed Option D and 24 listed Option E. •47 respondents indicated that having a dedicated Senior Center was very important. 96 said it was somewhat important and 55 said it was not important. (The alternative to a dedicated Senior Center would be more multi-generational or multi-use spaces reserved for seniors at certain times of day.) • 55 respondents indicated that taking the issue to a community vote was very important. 51 said it was somewhat important and 92 said it was not important. Operational Performa The operational Performa developed for the improvements used fees and charges that reflect a philosophy designed to meet a reasonable cost recovery rate and existing rate structure and are subject to review, change, and approval by the City Council. The membership revenue assumed utilized the current membership rates. Once an option is selected, staff will contact the feasibility consultant Ballard*King to get a membership rate recommendation based on their analysis of the market. Staffing assumptions were calculated utilizing the current salary structure and will be subject to change depending on the option chosen. Relationship to Vision A. Keep Shakopee a safe and healthy community where residents can pursue active and quality lifestyles. B. Positively manage the challenges and opportunities presented by growth development and change. D. Maintain, improve and create strong partnerships with other public and private sector entities. Requested Action If the Council concurs, determine the option to be completed and authorize the development of plans and specifications. Attachments: Comment Results OPTION A OPTION B OPTION C OPTION D OPTION E Dedicated Senior Center/Space? Community Vote? Additional Comments: It would be great if we could find a way to include the aquatic center AND additional athletic space.That is why I 1 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important ranked A&B as 1. Two shees of ice is now a minimal requirement! It is long overdue. Prior Lake is looking to work with Dakotah and add 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Not Important 2 more sheets. 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Not Important Thank you for understanding how important adding two sheets of ice is for the City of Shakopee 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important Love option A. Much needed for this community.I currently take my family to Chaska for a fitness facility.I would love 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important to stay in Shakopee for theses types of recreational opportunities. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important Our community desperately needs this done.The benefits to our community/kids and future property values far 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important outweigh the short term costs of this project. Please make this happen and make Shakopee proud. I really appreciate that the City stepping up and making this Community Center and Ice Arena a possibility. I am glad 1 2 3 4 S Somewhat Important Not Important that our City representatives recognize this ened and are doing something about it. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important City should make the decision.Too many negative people in community to vote no if it goes to a vote. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important Just do it right the first time or we will be stuck with something we regret. We need to be competitive with surrounding cities. Prior Lake and Chaska have very nice facilities and we need to step 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important up. Make Shakopee nice and I can cancel my Dakotah membership. I travel to other cities including Apple Valley,Chaska,Chanhassen,Bloomington,Prior Lake and Savage to use their 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important facilities. It would be nice to spend my time and money in the community I live in. With two young sons in the district,it's important to our family to have tope flight facilities in town for families of all ages to access. Paying for these improvements to me comes hand-in-hand with keeping/improving the quality of life for the city. As a small business owner,improved facilities keeps and adds key clientele for me to work with/for. Many of these opps are built through relationships built through programs like hockey. I would go on and on as for us the merits 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important of improved facilities as it relates to retaining and adding quality citizens and community members/businesses. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important I think you should just go ahead with it. If you sent it to vote,you may as well forget it! If the project is done ethically regarding the use of funds,then I don't think there is a need for a vote. However,if it is going to raise property tax greatly,then I think a vote is in order. With the additions on Option A,we would pay for a 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important membership again. Bring it all to Shakopee. Move us forward. What we have now is not enough. Our community is better than this. I 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important want to enjoy all activities in my city. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important Would also like to see a plan for a domed field or field house with a turf field.Edina,EP,Savage/PL are three communities that surround us that offer some really nice athletic facilities. Shakopee is really behind their peers in this 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important area so I'm glad to see some progress here especially with the two rinks. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important shakopee has grown and with all the potential growth it would be a necessity. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important Our city has expanded our tax base immensely in the past 4 yours.That increases what funds we have in the general fund without the need for a large increase in residential property taxes. It is time for leadership in this city to stand up and make decisions for our future. Now is the time to use these funds to provide services and facilities that we need to compete as a top-notch suburb.The old"don't tax me"addage needs to be flexible to our future. With debt payments going down and our fiscal strength,this project can be funded without a vote.This project is about all of our 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important community,not just part of it. Putting it to a vote does not include ALL of our community in the decision. Our community has proven time and time again how cheap they are and it's time the Council puts their foot down and 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important just does what's best for our children in the community! Waiting any longer will only cause costs to increase and be harder to complete in the future. Investment in community ammenaties is extremely important to a growing community and the city needs to show its commitment to making this 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important city a great place to live. Please,please finally add our 2nd sheet of ice.This community is far too big for one sheet of ice.The community has had tremendous positive growth in the past few years but I think you underestimate the importance of the lack of ice time in the community-families are literally moving away due to it.Think how many families are not considering Shakopee as their new home because of it. If this does not happen now,it'll likely be another 5-10 years before it's even considered again,therefore another 5-10 years of hockey families suffering with late ice times and lack of facilities 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important for success. A community that does not have the services for their growing population,loses the population to other communities 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important and loses their tax base.Please keep working on making Shakopee a place where young families want to stay. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important I would like to see the seniors get a space that they would thoroughly enjoy. I think a shared space with the teens,if done right,could work well. But,it needs to be a space that offers the seniors the ability to do the things they enjoy withouth massively transforming the room each day. I have never been a member of the community center for two reasons:1)no child care;2)no pool. With so many young families,these are very important aspects of the plan.Also, please consider adding a walking track to a hockey rink if possible. (similar to Victoria's) I will miss walking/running while my kids have hockey practice. With it being winter,that is usually when I get my run in.We are major stakeholders in Shakopee as owners of multiple properties.We are so excited about these opportunities,not just for 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important ourselves,but also the families that we rent to. If ice arena is built away from Community Center,then possibly add a walking track above ice so parents could run/walk 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important while kids are at practice. Adding a dedicated senior center/space is very important unless you are somehow able to create a space that appeals 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important and works for both age groups(skeptical). 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important Adding a dedicated senior center/space--I think with proper senior input,it can work with the teen center. 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important Be sure to give seniors space as they need their space,too.This could be included somewhere in the plan. I hope we get this done! Please take the pulse of the City Council and choose the one that will get it done. Ice is 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important needed to make city come to the level it should be to compete with other local towns. The voters consistently vote against improving the Community Center.The present center is totally inadequate and cannot compete with other facilities in the area(YMCA&Dakotah).The voters should not have a say this time.The 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important seniors also need a space as well. 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important Do it in phases. 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important Do in phases. Need more senior space. 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important With the growing number of families and young children,I think adding child care and an indoor playground is a HUGE plus!I would love to be able to take advantage of the fitness classes and facility more often,but without the child care 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Somewhat Important option,it is very difficult. 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Somewhat Important Option,1 is needed and it is time to get it done and move forward. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important My only concern is the lack of indoor turf option. Between this and the planned school expansion,I would hope their 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important would be a solution of indoor turf. Otherwise,I think it is long overdue to update the archaic Community Center. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important I think an aquatic facility is important for a complete fitness facility. If space is difficult,might be other options in the community,e.g.St.Mark's school building. Community input is 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important important,but if adequate input is achieved via open forums,I would trust the Council regarding funding options. The proposals would be an asset to the community. I know there are very vocal individuals both for and against these improvements,but I feel that the Council should weigh all options and make the decisions in the best interest of the 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important community. I believe this will bean asset to our growing community. Need to locate twoo sheets within footprint of existing Community Center. Position to the east(lose softball field)and relocated/reposition water main.An all included community center will be a greater sell to citizens.They will not 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important support separate sheets of ice as they do not want to become hockey sitters(finances). 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important "A"looks like the best for everyone. Would have been beneficial to present options in open forum for first 1/2 hour and then general comments/questions 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important could have followed.The way it was presented left many confused. Make it awesomel Spend the money to have an AMAZING center for all to use. Kids,teens,adults,single-families, 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important seniors! Go for it! We need itl 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important Absolutely would love the indoor playground and aquatic center.These are reasons we drive to The Chaska community center or prior lake ymca although we live directly across the shakopee community center. We would also love an 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important indoor soccer field! 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important Seniors--Where is MORE SPACE for seniors or can be used for community meeting rooms for at least 100 people--not 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important 30 people.Seniors meeting rooms not in teen center. Let teens have their space also. 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important Programs: Follow programs somewhat as Chaska has. Study the Chaska Senior Center.They do it right. would really love to see an aquatic splash pad available as well as child care.no Child care is the reason I do not use the 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important community center for exercise. 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important 1 2 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Very Important child care and indoor play area is a huge plus for me and my family. It would be wonderful to have indoor space for kids to play in the winter,instead of having to go to other communities. A water park/pool is also long overdue.The school pool temperatures are just too cold for children to swim in. I would 1 2 3 4 5 Not Important Very Important love to see swimming lessons offered at the community center. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Very Important Like the idea of an aquatic center. Would love to have a splash pad in the space and options to purchase a seasonal 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Very Important pass.Unsure the city needs 8-9 indoor basketball courts at this time. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Very Important Love the idea of aquatic option. I have been doing water aerobics for years and love it. As a young professional who has been living in Shakopee for 5 years,I see how many other young families are moving into our community.Updating and maintaining these facilities is very important for people like me,who want to stay within the community for activities,fitness,etc.rather than having to drive to larger(and better!)facilities in 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Very Important surrounding communities like Eden Prairie. 1 2 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Very Important 1 2 3 4 100 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 4 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 3 5 4 Not Important Somewhat Important With all the changes I hope that the teen center remains.It is a great option for our kids to be able to utilize that and much nicer as a parent to know that there is some place for them to hang out and actually do things and not just running around getting into trouble!It would be nice if during the summer it was open more often though.I think 1 2 3 5 4 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important having dedicated teen space is far more important than dedicated senior space! Having an aquatic center connected to the community center is a major improvement and will allow people who 1 2 3 5 4 Somewhat Important Very Important workout to use the pool without having to go somewhere else. 1 2 3 Not Important Not Important Glad to see the City is recognizing a need to invest in our community. Cities all around us have nice centers.The more 1 2 3 Somewhat Important Not Important our community has,the better the"value"of our City. 1 2 3 Somewhat Important Not Important 1 2 4 3 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important Senior center should have at least one billiards table. Will there be an outdoor portion to the indoor aquatic facility,like a splash pad?I would be in favor of one or more splash pads around town. IN-FAVOR:Remodeled Community Center including expanded fitness,indoor playground and child care. IN-FAVOR:Indoor aquatic facility in the existing ice arena shell(zero depth,lap pool,current channel, waterslide). IN-FAVOR:Athletic space(not sure what that means specifically,I generally support additional athletic 1 2 4 3 5 Very Important Very Important space,however I have concerns w/artificial turf. IN-FAVOR:Senior Center. INDIFFERENT:Ice arena 1 2 4 5 3 Not Important Somewhat Important We need a lap pool with normal hours! 1 3 2 4 5 Not Important Not Important 1 3 2 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important What a terrific price for option A.And it includes something for everyone! 1 3 2 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important Would like to keep my dollars in Shakopee then going to other communties to enjoy their facilities. Dedicated senior space is very important-we will all be seniors some day. Please increase dedicated space for indoor playground. Having a place for young Shakopee families to enjoy together in the winter is critical. Let's keep our 1 3 2 4 5 Very Important Not Important families in Shakopee so they can build a sense of community together here. 1 3 2 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important 1 3 2 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important Please be/stay focused on programs for younger youth(age 8-13).Advise public on membership rates and what they 1 3 2 5 4 Not Important Very Important might or might not increase to. What about making the fees more affordable especially for single parent families. Currently offer scholarships for 1 3 5 4 2 Somewhat Important Very Important programs why not a break on membership so it's available to ALL community members. More people would use aquatics than hockey,nothing should be considered unless it includes an option for aquatics. The hockey association needs to take a page from the Tennis Association's book and find their own funding for 1 4 2 3 5 Somewhat Important Not Important expanded facilities. 1 4 2 3 5 Not Important Somewhat Important This community needs indoor pool facilities to be able to utilize in the winter months. 1 4 5 5 5 Not Important Somewhat Important I don't know why this plan revolves solely around new ice sheets.It is pretty sad that the community center doesn't 1 5 4 3 2 Not Important Somewhat Important have a pool.Aquatic center and child care are the main things that have kept my family from not joining. Aquatics is what I'm interested in. I cancelled my membership a couple years ago with the reduction of pool access. I 1 5 5 5 2 Not Important Not Important would rather give my money to our city instead of chaska. 1 5 5 5 5 Not Important Not Important We need an aquatic center and child care center. Senior citizens need a dedicated area to do what they do. Added 2nd 1 5 5 5 5 Very Important Not Important ice arena is the first to be cut. If the city is going to"upgrade"the CC then I say,do a good job of using the space.I don't have grandchildren in Shak., but they are all in athletic activities and I know how important it is to have the necessary training and playing facilities. 1 Not Important Not Important The 2 in lax use the dome in Savage frequently even tho they live in Lkvl.Bottom line,the CC needs to be improved II Shakopee is lagging behind in facilities compared to other communities. I think it's important for Shakoppee to step up and get 2 new sheets of ice,a remodeled community center,new aquatic facilities etc. As a Realtor for almost 20 years and a Shakopee resident for 11 it's sad,especially with all the new industry/jobs in Shakopee,when I repeadly have clients who tell me they won't consider Shakoppee in their home search. I've heard this for many years and it's always because they"heard"that the schools weren't good and that Shakopee lacks good facilities. Unfortunately not everyone in Shakopee feels this way which is why I hope this gets passed through the council and not part of a wider vote. What every Shakopee resident should remember is that schools and facilities go hand in hand with resale....case 1 Somewhat Important Not Important in point,Edina&Minnetonka! I think we have a wonderful community and can't wait to see some upgraded facilities! 1 Very Important Not Important Great idea for aquatic center which all community members cart use! Be sure to invest space for seniors separate from 1 Very Important Not Important the teen center,as I know they want more space. 1 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important Seniors need their space! Community vote--depends on Council and Mayor wanting re-election if they choose wrong. We need the Council to show us options for payment--not requiring a vote(we need a good facility,one to be proud of) 1 Very Important Somewhat Important and a clear explanation of operating expenses and how the shortfall will be handled. 1 Very Important Somewhat Important 1 Very Important Somewhat Important I would put all the chips on Option A if,and only if,the voters approve via a referendum. I am not a fan of large expenditures such as these without a clear mandate from the public to do it. But if it is to be done,then do it right and bring forward to the voters the premier choice for consideration.Then we accept and live with the outcome of the 1 Somewhat Important Very Important vote,as I think it should be. Facilities are needed. Big question is how it will be paid for and how will operations be paid for.Too many Community 1 Somewhat Important Very Important Centers are failing. If this is done,it needs to be done successfully. Are cities the best to manage this? Could actually care LESS about the ice space but would become a Community Center Member if there were a pool 1 Somewhat Important Very Important included in the price. 1 Stibitz,2430 Emerald Lane 1 Option A would be fantastic!We wouldn't have to go to the Chaska Community Center! 1 2 1 3 4 5 Not Important Not Important We really hope council can vote in the new two sheet ice arena!! 2 1 3 4 5 Not Important Not Important A city needs to make decisions based on city need,not on the opinions of those who always say no.This city is in desperate need of new facilities in all sports and rec areas,it is essential to keep our productive families here and to 2 1 3 4 5 Not Important Not Important attract the same.New facilities will help us feel pride in Shakopee. Forget the vote,just make it happen. 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important It's time for Shakopee to build for the future. Go big. Thank you for all of your great work exploring all of the optiosn for improving the Community Cener. I'm so hopeful we 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important can make the improvements happen. I'm especially excited about the additional sheets of ice. We really need community center improvements!! And it is absolutely necessary for a community our size to have 2 if 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important not 3 sheets of ice. We will continue to lose residents to other communities until we have adequate facilities. 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important City Council needs to just make this happen. 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important Option B--Best option--I know there is interest in the aquatics facility,but to reach the greatest amount of people and service more community members,Option B makes more sense and is cheaper at this point. Novelty of aquatics facility will fade quickly and then there will be limited use. Option B gives you more usable space that will continue into the 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important future. This is a very important addition to our kids and our community.I have two sons in hockey that are forced to practice late into the night on school nights or the HS kids who have to wake up at 4:30AM to get ice time in.Lets show them we 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important support them just as any other sport. 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important Ice is a NEED and indoor turf would be great! We need a field house that multiple sports could use such as in the old ice arena area.There is never enough room for revenue producing tourneys for everything from volleyball to basketball to wrestling!) Could even be used for indoor practice for baseball and Lacrosse! Heck even football is done with correct interchangeable floorings!!!l If you look at other communities they are spending much more on top of what they have already! We are almost starting from nothing here compared to other suburbs!THAT IS The DiFFERNCE we need to explain to peeps if they want their 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Not Important property values to continue rising! We really need an updated community center and 2 sheets of ice for our community.We need to provide comparable 2 1 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important options to other communities for our residents. Ice arena very important!! This community needs to update its facilities to support all of its residents from the youth to its seniors.The current facilities cannot handle the growth we have experienced. 2 sheets of ice is extremely important to our youth hockey 2 1 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important programs. We vote for council members to represent our viewpoints. Not everything can be a vote of the entire community. In order to keep residents who care about the community in Shakopee we must have facilities that meet their needs. 2 1 3 4 5 Very Important Not Important Many young families moving in plus an aging population. Both must be addressed. 2 1 3 4 5 Not Important Somewhat Important Shakopee needs a turf facility for indoor sports use.A rock climbing wall would be a nice addition as well. Try to get 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important multiple uses out of same space through creative engineering. 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important 2 1 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important 2 1 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important If I had my preference,I'd forget about the 2nd sheet of ice because I feel it benefits the least amount of people. 2 1 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important 2 1 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important 2 1 3 4 5 Very Important Somewhat Important Where's the money to do this?We do not need aquatics.Many affordable alternatives available if wanted by residents, 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Very Important "Y",Dakota,W&E Jr High Schools,Chaska,etc. play adult hockey,and I've never set foot in our Community Center or ice arena....that information speaks for itself. The City needs a Community Center complex that puts it on par with surrounding communities or people will go elsewhere. But I do think that the voters of the Shakopee need to vote on the proposal,like the recent school/technology 2 1 3 4 5 Somewhat Important Very Important referendum,and step up to the plate by agreeing to higher taxes to get the Community Center upgrades done. 2 1 3 5 4 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important It would be a better option,if option D is chosen to shut the community center down all together. If option E is chosen, cancel hockey as a high school sport.It would make sense for hockey players to put their talents in another community 2 1 3 Very Important Not Important or another sport. Thank you for considering the addition of 2 rinks and upgrading the Community Center.This will truly be an excellent 2 3 4 1 5 Somewhat Important Not Important asset to the City of Shakopee. 3 1 2 4 5 Very Important Not Important 3 1 2 4 5 Somewhat Important Very Important 3 1 2 4 5 Very Important Very Important 3 4 1 2 5 Not Important Not Important 3 4 2 1 5 Not Important Not Important This is work that needs to be done. 3 4 5 2 1 Not Important Very Important 4 3 2 1 5 Somewhat Important Somewhat Important 5 1 2 3 4 Not Important Very Important The old Central school building is a terrible place for senior citizens.Too many stairs even when using the elevator from the parking lot. We should vote on this whole proposal. Taking or borrowing from other funds is sneaky.They might never get paid back,and if they have that much extra money in them the fees/taxes that fund them are too high. I feel 5 1 2 3 4 Very Important Very Important especially strong about the storm sewer fund for which I pay a monthly fee! Would be best if teen center and senior center not together. Eithe rway,doesn't suit both groups.Are you having meetings where it will be presented so then there'd be more discussion and better understanding? If an option without the aquatics center would that be put in at a later date?That's an important feature for many. It would be helpful at a 5 2 1 3 4 Very Important Very Important meeting to have funding options explained. 5 4 3 2 1 Very Important Somewhat Important Steam room,vortex pool,lap lanes. Bigger weight/cardio facilities,newer equipment. 5 4 3 2 1 Not Important Very Important 5 4 3 2 1 Not Important Very Important The proposed changes are an unnecessary expense that should not be undertaken at all. 5 4 3 2 1 Not Important Very Important At the city level,government should only be providing roadway maintenance and law enforcement. 5 4 3 2 1 Somewhat Important Very Important No vote on Community center,no vote for incumbents. Why not fix the current ice arena and then build just one other arena? If building one area make the building big 5 4 3 2 1 Somewhat Important Very Important enough to have another ice arena in the future. I don't understand if the off site ice is in most all options,why it isn't pulled out and put forth on it's own?I am not against more ice at existing site,but why is it lumped with an aquatic area we don't need? 1.My family has a SCC membership,and we get frustrated,not by lack of space,but class availability and restrictions.For example,my 13 year cross country runner can't use the indoor track without my supervision. We have gone multiple times to find a class cancelled or the gym not available. Use what we have better. Indoor aquatics are not the best use of our$.By 2020, there will be more residents in MN over the age of 60 than school aged children. Plan for the demographics,seniors 5 4 3 2 1 Somewhat Important Very Important don't want waterslides. I'm usually all for investing in our city,but really feel now is not the time for this discussion.We're just months removed from the taxpayers agreeing to take on an additional$100M,and now we're considering tacking on$30M more?Would be curious to know how much of this(if any)the new businesses in Shakopee would be footing.If minimal,let's focus on bringing businesses to the city that will actually contribute tax dollars,rather than continuing to push this all to the residents.And then reevaluate this decision at that time. Regarding additional sheets of ice,I have no appetite for this. I hate to see it lumped in with other proposed improvements.Would be curious to know how many residents(%)have kids enrolled in hockey and are actually using the existing facilities.Perhaps they could fund the new arena through their registration fees,or other donations.I'm sure they're all in favor of this use of taxpayer dollars but,let's be honest, they're used to shelling out thousands for their kids to play as it is.If they want/need new facilities,let the Shakopee 5 4 3 2 1 Somewhat Important Very Important and/or MN hockey community pay for it. I live in a democratic society,I think.To spend$20 million should be a decision the community makes not 3 members 5 4 3 2 1 Very Important Very Important of the City Council. Use the democratic process. Give us our vote. 1. I do feel there is more important things than just more ice area. 2.I do feel there should be more supervision of children.When parents at desk signing up for things or visiting lot of children go unsupervised.There are other options for children,too. 3.What does it mean to include all ages? It seems more for kids,parents&teens.Seniors are considered an extra. Realize they have cards and Senior Social but this only includes ones interested in cards or the group that exercises for the social. Of course,when other things are offered,consider offering when cards aren't on as many consider this priority only and don't take part in other offerings.The one of the Mayor and question s and answeres and one with policeman and questions and answers. 4.The many parks in the city and some never are seen 5 4 3 2 1 Very Important Very Important used. Who supports all of these? 5 4 3 2 1 Very Important Very Important 5 5 5 3 2 Not Important Very Important Vote is vital. Would consider 2nd sheet on current site. This needs to come before the taxpayers in a vote. Let the community as a whole decide the outcome,not a few on the 5 5 5 5 1 Not Important Very Important City Council. I am against this project!After the passage of the school referendum($300 tax increase),and the sales tax increase in 5 5 5 5 1 Not Important Very Important Scott County,I am getting taxed out financially! So are my elderly in-laws who are on a fixed income! We can't afford anything like this at this time. You got the school focus on that and fixing the roads,etc. I don't really 5 5 5 5 2 Not Important Very Important care how high every other communities taxes are,we moved here because it was affordable.You're pricing us out! You're missing the other option--update the current ice arena.The whol arena--not just the refridgeration system (really?)and then put your 2nd ice sheet on the same property as the current Community Center. Forget about adding gyms and fitness and spaces for meeting. Let something like Lifetime Fitness come in and build a facility--give them a tax break like you did with Shutterfly and Amazon and all the rest and then you'll save a ton of money.You'll get what you want and only need to do the ice--we already have pools-indoor and outdoor. Why would we need another?And the City should be here to govern and protect(legally--police and government)not to go into business for itself. Plus, having a professional fitness center come in would supply jobs as well. You need to scale way back and look for outside 5 5 5 5 4 _ Not Important Very Important cooperation. Let the people vote! For us who are retired,we are on a limited income. Stop spending our money.We need to vote 5 5 5 5 4 Not Important Very Important on this) Stop-please-spending our money. Please listen to usl 5 5 5 5 5 Not Important Not Important 5 5 5 5 5 _ Not Important Not Important My taxes went up too much. We don't need all this. My CD-70. 5 5 5 5 5 Not Important Not Important Consider the addition of a 2nd sheet of ice attached to the existing community. No pool.We have 2 at the jr.high's a a 5 5 5 5 5 Not Important Very Important nice one for summer. Limit government involvement in areas that should be private enterprise and employs residents. 5 5 5 5 5 Not Important Very Important We do not need any of this. My taxes are tight as is. I'm on a fixed income. This will never make money and will always be a burden to US the taxpayer. It is ridiculous that you would consider adding on to this albatross only to have US the taxpayer continue to subsidize the whims of a few. I am absolutely against this unless it is privatized and the private sector runs it not untrustworthy ego maniacs like our current mayor 5 5 5 5 5 Not Important Very Important and certain council members. I feel it would be irresponsible to not have a vote on this expansion considering the current center claims 2,500 members in a town of 30,000("8%)and rusn a$500,000 deficit. I did not get a clear answer from any representatives as to how the increased operations costs would be offset by additional revenue. It appears the taxpayer would be on 5 5 5 5 Not Important Very Important the hook for-$2.7 million. 1 Not Important Somewhat Important 1 Not Important Somewhat Important 1 1 1 Somewhat Important Very Important If you consider this a Community Center,I would think that you would want the Community to support it;which is why 1 Not Important Very Important a community vote is so important. 1 Not Important Very Important This MUST go to a vote! 1 Not Important Very Important Any improvements need to be decided by a community vote! I happen to be a senior and can tell you that I,d many of my friends,prefer to gather and meet in the same places as others;Restaurants,Coffee Shops,Bars,Canterbury,Mystic,etc.I ill also tell you this,as a group we likely are the most likely to vote and we've discussed this very subject.We(my friends and I only)feel it would be nearing an unmoral and unethical decision to not allow a vote for something that is clearly a want,an extra,when the School District had to 1 Not Important Very Important come to us for an absolutely proven NEED! I feel that the community center has been brought to the community for vote in the past. I think it's very disrespectful to the community to continue with idea that major improvements can be made to this building without community 1 Not Important Very Important vote. The voters must decided and make it during a regular election not a special session. 1 Not Important Very Important This project will involve spending a substantial sum of money both on the building process and the ongoing,permanent operating costs.This will result in a PERMANENT tax increase.In order to be successful,the COMMUNITY must support the community center.The current Community Center was built without COMMUNITY support,and suffered for that ever since.There are other options for developing Senior Meeting space needs;in particular,there is a great opportunity to repurpose City Hall if/when new building is built.This could provide the needed senior meeting space in 1 Somewhat Important Very Important a location more convenient to much of the current senior housing stock. 1 Somewhat Important Very Important Unless you move the Community Center to a location where it will be successful and worth the investment. 1 Somewhat Important Very Important If I had to pay for a Community Center,I would use a pool,but never an ice sheet. Sheets of ice operate at a loss each year and are just money pits.It only makes sense to build another sheet of you can show that the current one is constantly booked.This does not mean only during peak hours. I mean all day year round. There are other rinks in the area that don't make any money because they are only booked during peak hours. If people want to partake in this expensive hobby,they might have to be inconvenienced on the time available rather than taking 1 money that could be better spent. Interested in"cultural"center if not here,encouraging use/programming at this site. Continue with outreach for Not Important Somewhat Important possible future cultural/arts center. I am willing to have space and fill the needs for all age groups,but please give the Seniors a space. We need a better Very Important Somewhat Important Senior program in Shakopee. Most of us go to Chaska or Mtka for outlets.We would prefer to meet in our community Not Important Very Important Seniors are 2nd class citizens in Shakopee.Take an inventory of all the things for young people and then what you do Very Important Very Important for us seniors. We have paid taxes all our lives and the City can't find a suitable area for us? What a farce. Very Important Very Important How about something for the seniors and not everything for the teens! OPTION A AS#1 CHOICE=120 SENIOR CENTER: COMMUNITY VOTE: OPTION B AS#1 CHOICE=39 VERY IMPORTANT=47 VERY IMPORTANT=55 OPTION C AS#1 CHOICE=2 SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT=96 SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT=51 OPTION D AS#1 CHOICE=4 NOT IMPORTANT=55 NOT IMPORTANT=92 OPTION E AS#1 CHOICE=24