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CITY OF SHAKO PEE
Memorandum
TO: Mayor & City Council
Mark McNeill, City Administrator
FROM: Bruce Loney, Public Works Director
SUBJECT: Consideration of Drainage Solutions for Westchester Estates, Block 9
DATE: August 21, 2007
INTRODUCTION:
This agenda item is for Council to review solutions to the drainage problem that was
petitioned by the residents of Westchester Estates, Block 9 and requesting the City to
resolve the issue.
BACKGROUND:
On October 17, 2006, the City Council received a petition from 20 homeowners of
Westchester Estates, Block 9, in regards to a storm drainage issue in their backyards.
From this meeting, the Council directed staff to work on solutions to this problem with
Tollefson Development, Inc.
Since this meeting, staffhas done the following items in developing solutions:
1. Require the developer to provide a current grading plan of the rear drainage
swale.
2. Require the developer to provide soil borings in the rear drainage swale.
(These borings were done on April 20, 2007).
3. Obtain a budget cost estimate to install a drain tile pipe system with catch basin
form a local contractor.
4. Monitor the area after rain storms for effectiveness of the rear swale.
5. Obtain a cost estimate from the developer to regrade the rear swale to a minimum
of 1 % as per the design criteria at that time.
6. Conduct a neighborhood meeting on August 1, 2007, to outline the problem, the
developer's obligation, and solution to the problem.
The review of the soil borings and monitoring of the site has indicated that the underlying
soil contains clay or silty material and is oversaturated and becomes unstable. In
addition, several of the lots east of the existing catch basins, have foundation drains
which pump water throughout the year into the swale. The constant pumping of water is
a major factor in saturating the soil even during the recent drought period.
The area west of the existing catch. basins does not have foundation drains discharging
water into the swale. This area does have soil which becomes unstable when saturated.
The problem on the west side as staff sees it, is the soil content and the fact that everyone
has an irrigation system and at least two sprinkler heads in the swale.
With this background information and analysis of the information, staff presented two
solutions to the neighborhood as follows:
1. Remove the sprinklers and drain tile pipes from the easement area and have
Tollefson Development regrade area and to a 1 % minimum grade and restore the
area. The sprinkler heads and drain tile pipe should not be reinstalled in the
easement area.
2. Remove sprinklers from easement area, extend a storm drain tile system to a
certain distance and restore the area. In this proposal the drain tile from the
homes could be connected to the new drain tile system. In this alternative, the
City would donate all staff time and the developer would contribute the cost of
regrading the swale. The residents would pay for the remaining amount of the
improvement.
Per the approved plans and design criteria, the developer is required to grade the swale to
a minimum of 1 %. The area would drain better than it does currently; however, the soil
could still be saturated and become unstable during wet periods. To correct the problem
so that swale area drains the soil, a drain tile pipe connecting to the existing storm sewer
system is recommended.
Attached to the memo for further information on this issue are the following:
1. Meeting Agenda from the August 1, 2007, neighborhood meeting.
2. Cost estimate of 13 lot drain tile alternative.
3. Map showing extent of grading limits and lots affected by 13 lot alternatives.
4. Cost estimates for 19 lot drain tile alternative.
5. Map showing extent of grading limits and lots affected by the 19 lot alternatives.
6. Letter and soil borings from John Bertelsen of John Oliver & Associates, Inc. -
developer's engineer.
7. An email from Howard Bazinet on the neighborhood decision after the August 1,
2007, meeting.
Council Member, Steve Menden, did attend the August 1, 2007, meeting with staff and
13 residents. The neighborhood decided the solution is to install a drain tile solution and
ask the City for cost participation.
Staffs position has been that the drainage system does function, however, the soil
becomes saturated and the area is unusable per the residents. Option #1 which would
remove the sprinkler heads and drain tiles from the easement and regrading the swale
would be a no cost alternative to the residents. Staff believes this will help the situation
but the constant pumping of foundation drains in the east area would still leave the soil
saturated and unstable.
The alternative that the residents favor is the drain tile system that would extend from the
existing storm sewer system. Staffhas offered its time to complete the project design, get
quotes and oversee construction with the developer contributing the cost of the work he is
required to do. The only question is how much more in funds is the City of Shakopee
willing to contribute for this project. Staffs position is for the residents to pick up the
remaining costs unless otherwise authorized by the City Council.
Per the cost estimate developed by staff, the residents would be looking for a 50% city
participation of the estimated $14A25.00 or $7,212.50 from the City of Shakopee. Staff
has been contributing its staff time to date and has offered to donate any further time as
city participation to this project. Staff time to date is estimated to be $4~OOO.00 and an
additional $3,500.00 of staff time would be needed for design and construction.
Staff will present the solution at the Council meeting and ask Council for further
direction. The residents will also like to present their proposal to the Council.
ALTERNATIVES:
1. Direct staff to prepare plans and specifications for a storm drain tile system
project and obtain quotes.
2. Direct staff to have the developer regrade the swale~ property owners to remove
their sprinklers and drain tile from the easement.
3. Provide staff direction on the cost participation for the storm drain tile system
project if ordered.
4. Table for additional information.
RECOMMENDATION:
Staff would recommend Alternative No. 1 as this design would be the best solution in
resolving the drainage issue in Westchester Estates, Block 9. The Council will need to
provide direction on cost participation towards the project beyond the donation of staff
time. Alternative No.2 would improve the drainage situation and at no cost to the
property owners if the cost participation is not agreeable to the residents and the council.
ACTION REOUESTED:
1. Direct staff to prepare plans and specifications for a storm drain tile system
project and obtain quotes.
2. Provide staff direction on the cost participation for the storm drain tile system
project if ordered.
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WESTCHESTER ESTATES, BLOCK 9
MEETING AGENDA
AUGUST 1, 2007
I. Introductions
II. Outline Problem
A. Soil Borings
B. Grading of Swale
C. Sprinklers in Swale
D. Drain Tiles from Houses to Swale (East Side)
III. Developer's Obligation
A. Correct the Swale Grade to a Minimum 1 %.
B. Estimated Cost is $5,000.00
IV. Solutions
A. Remove Sprinklers from Easement Area, Regrade Swale to 1 % Minimum,
Restore Area
B. Remove Sprinklers from Easement Area, Extend a Drain Tile System a
Certain Distance, Restore Area. Estimated Cost is from $15,000 to
$20,000.00 and does not Include Removing Sprinklers or Re-sodding.
(These Costs can be Added in.)
C. Neighborhood project to extend Drain Tile (Developer Contributes
$5,000.00 and City Donates Staff Time)
V. Future Action
A. Depends on August 1 st Discussion, may go to Council on August 21 st for
discussion.
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Project: Westchester Estates Addition Drainage Issue
(Block 9)
Contractor Quote: Chambers Excavating & Trucking (utilizing unit prices only)
By: JWS
Date: 1-Aug-07
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Mobilization $ 2,500.00 L.S. 1.00 $ 2,500.00
Install Tile $ 18.00 L.F. 360.00 $ 6,480.00
Install Inlets $ 175.00 Each 2.00 $ 350.00
Hook-up Sub Drains $ 275.00 Each 4.00 $ 1,100.00
Black Dirt $ 23.00 C.Y. 0.00 $ -
Filter Rock $ 32.00 C.Y. 140.00 $ 4,480.00
Sod To be performed by homeowners
Traffic Control $ 500.00 L.S. 0.00 $ -
Connect to Existing Storm $ 450.00 Each 2.00 $ 900.00
Repair Sprinkler Systems To be performed boy homeowners
Subtotal $15,810.00
5% Contingency $790.50
Total Estimated Construction Cost: $16,600.50
Total Contribution from Tollefson Development $ 5,000.00
Total Estimated Project Cost $ 11,600.50
Total Number of Participating Lots 13
ITotal Cost Per Lot $ 892.35 I
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Mobilization $ 2,500.00 L.S. 1.00 $ 2,500.00
Install Tile $ 18.00 L.F. 490.00 $ 8,820.00
Install Inlets $ 175.00 Each 4.00 $ 700.00
Hook-up Sub Drains $ 275.00 Each 4.00 $ 1,100.00
Black Dirt $ 23.00 C.Y. 0.00 $ -
Filter Rock $ 32.00 C.Y. 140.00 $ 4,480.00
Sod To be performed by homeowners
Traffic Control $ 500.00 L.S. 0.00 $ -
Connect to Existing Storm $ 450.00 Each 2.00 $ 900.00
Repair Sprinkler Systems To be oerformed bv homeowners
Subtotal $18,500.00
5% Contingency $925.00
Total Estimated Construction Cost: $19,425.00
Total Contribution from Tollefson Development $ 5,000.00
Total Estimated Project Cost $ 14,425.00
Total Number of Participating Lots 19
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Civil Engineering John Oliver & Associates, Inc.
201 West Travelers Trail, Suite 200, Burnsville, MN 55337
Land Surveying (952) 894-3045 · Fax (952) 894-3049
Land Planning burns@joliverassoc.com
May 21, 2007
Bruce Loney
City Engineer
City of Shakopee
400 Gorman Street
Shakopee, MN 55379
Re: Rear yard drainage
Block 9, Westchester Estates
Dear Bruce
The wet soils and the slope along the rear yards of this Block have been
examined by surveying the finished yard grades, which elevations have been
set to you previously, and recently the soils were examined by means of hand
auger borings completed by American Engineering Testing on April 20, 2007.
These hand augers were located in the rear yards of Lots 19, 20, 22 and 23, as
indicated on the attached plat sheet 2 of 6. AET's letter report is attached.
The basics of this area of the project starts with the original soil borings on
the site, prior to any development activities. Through the Block 9 area, the
site topography had a significant slope to the south. Soil Boring #1 was about
200 feet southwest of Block 9, and in general terms indicated the top 8.0 feet
of the boring was clay soils - including 2.0 feet of topsoil, and below this was
sandy soils. Soil Boring #8 was in the north tip of Block 9, and indicated the
top 2.5 feet was clay soils - including 1.0 feet of topsoil, and below this sandy
soils. These borings are indicated on the attached plat sheet. Interpolating
to the location of the hand augers results in 5.5 to 6.0 feet of clay/topsoil
above sandy soils. The original topography compared to proposed finish
grades indicates there was about 1.0 - 2.0 feet of cut along the rear line of
Lots 19 and 20, and 2.0 - 3.0 feet of fill along the rear lines of Lots 22 and 23.
The native clay soils are probably still in place along the rear property lines.
This is supported by the auger logs in Lots 19 and 20 that terminated at 36 to
40 inches, and were still encountering clay soils. The augers in Lots 22 and 23
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Bruce Loney
May 21, 2007
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were 30 to 35 inches in depth and most likely most or all of this sampled
material was placed fill, leaving the natural clay soils below the sample
depth.
The design slope along the rear property line drainage swale was for a 1.0
percent grade, which was achieved by the final grading of lots in some
locations and was less than the 1.0 percent in other places. There has been
discussion that the wet condition of this drainage swale would have been
improved (less wet) with a design of 2.0 percent. Whether the design grade
was 1.0 or 2.0 percent, the elevations for final grading of the lots needed to
be carefully established at the time final grading was taking place. A 2.0
percent slope provides a little bit more tolerance when grading, but still
requires surveying to be in conformance with the grading plan. However,
with the type of soils present, I do not think a 2.0 percent slope along this
rear line would have had any significant affect on the moisture in the soil.
The swale along the rear line receives surface water from approximately the
front setback of the homes to the rear property line. The clay soils that
make up the upper soils in these lots are quick to shed the surface waters
down slope to the rear property line swale. It is expected that after any
significant rainfall event the soils in this swale will be wet and soft for a
period of time until the soils have a chance to dry by evaporation and as the
grass and plant materials use the moisture for growth. When there is no
significant rainfall, over utilization of sprinkler systems can have the same
effect, prolonging the time to allow soils to dry, or even preventing soils from
drying.
Much of Shakopee is all sandy soils, but this project exhibited an upper layer
of clay soils. In clay soils this wet condition is typical. It is the opposite of
sandy soils, which are very difficult to keep moist and to keep a lawn nice
and green. Sandy soils are not sensitive to the amount of water applied to
the ground surface. Clay soils make it easier to maintain a nice green lawn,
but they are sensitive to the amount of water placed on the surface, and are
typically wet and soft where surface waters are concentrated. Clay soils can
be expected to be wet for periods of time after significant rainfall or
prolonged application of irrigation water. Since we can do nothing about
rainfall, I suggest that the duration and frequency of sprinkler systems be
evaluated, and the amount of water applied be reduced. It may be necessary
to reconfigure the sprinkler zoning to minimize the water placed closest to
the rear line swale. Water placed closer to the house will naturally migrate
down slope to the rear property line so that the water placed nearest the
rear property line should be significantly less that closer to the house.
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May 21, 2007
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If a mechanical method of trying to reduce the amount of moisture in the
rear line swale is desired, a gravel drain wrapped in a geotextile fabric could
be installed all along the rear property lines. The drain can be outlet into the
existing catchbasins on the back property line of Lot 21. Maintaining
approximately 6 inches to one feet of topsoil over this gravel drain will allow
for grass to grow over the top, but it must be strongly cautioned that the
topsoil over the drain must be very sandy, or infiltration from the surface into
the gravel drain will be very slow, and not a significant improvement from the
current situation. It should also be remembered that property corners have
been set for all lot lines, and the installation of any improvement along the
rear property line could remove these corners, which requires resetting these
corners by a registered surveyor. Vertical connection to the sandy soils below
by landscape inlets (NDS products available at Home Depot for example) is
also a possibility.
If some mechanical improvement is desired, there must be a more complete
understanding of the current situation. Monitoring and reduction of irrigation
watering should be considered as a first measure. This is obviously the least
expensive option, and should help evaluate if further measures by the
homeowners are necessary.
CC: Gary Larson, AET
Gary Wollschlager, TDI
Attachments: Boring Logs, Boring Locations, Plat Sheet with locations, AET
letter report.
File: 1433. 1 0-03
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AET JOB NO: 20-01888 LOG OF BORING NO. 1 (p.1 ofl)
I PROJECT: Residential Development, Cherney Property; Shako pee, MN
DEPTH SURFACE ELEVATION: 829.5 GEOLOGY MC SAMPLE REC. FIELD & LABORATORY TESTS
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May 1, 2007
Tollefson Development, Inc.
20520 Keokuk Avenue, Suite 200
Lakeville, Minnesota 55044
Attn: Gary Wollschlager
RE: Residences
Westchester Avenue
Shalcopee, Minnesota
AET Project No. 20-06871
Dear Mr. Wollschlager:
OD,. April."ZO. 2007, we visited the referenced site as you requested. The purpose of our s~rvices
was to perf0I1l1 four (4) shallow hand auger borings along a rear yard drainage swale. The
porrion of the drainage swale where the hand auger borings were perfonned extended from 720
Westchester Avenue south through 760 Westchester. The hand auger borings were perfonned
at locations staked by others before. Our shallow hand auger borings were located near these
staked locations. We understand the ground surface along the length of this swale is often wet and
spongy. Grass is present in much of the swale\ but a narrow portion of the grass has been dug
out in the southern portion.
The shallow hand auger borings were put down to depths ranging from about 30" to 40" below
the ground surface. The soils retrieved were visually and manually classified in general
accordance with ASTM:D2488. A summary of the results of our hand auger borings is as
follows~
0 Somh side of lot at 720 Westchester Avenue. The soils encountered consisted of
about 14" of black to dark brown lean clay underlain by clayey sand with lenses
L.,,8>9 of sandy lean clay to the termination depth of about 40". The dark colored surface
layer was very wet to saturated and soft, and the underlying soils were wet and
slightly firmer.
. South side of lot at 730 Westchester A venue. The soils encountered consisted of
about 12" of black to dark brown lean clay underlain by about 14" of brown lean
L').o I (b C( clay and then about 5" of sandy lean clay which graded into clayey sand at the
termination depth of abom 3611. The upper 12" layer of dark colored soils was
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very wet to saturated and soft. The underlying soils were dryer (but still moist)
and were much firmer.
. About 20' north of the south side of lo[ at 750 Westchester Avenue. The soils
encountered consisted of about 12" of black to dark brown lean clay underlain by
L2.l..., ~ ~ lean clay that changed color from brown and brown mottled to dark greyish brown
then black to the termination depth of about 35 II. The upper 12" of the lean clay
was very wet to saturated and soft. The underlying soils were dryer (but still
moist) and were much firmer.
. Near center of lot at 760 Westchester Avenue. The soils encountered consisted of
Lt~1 rbq about 9" of black lean clay underlain by brown, dark brown and greyish brown
lean clay and fat clay to the termination depth of about 30". The upper 9" of the
dark colored soils was very wet to saturated and soft. The underlying soils were
dryer (but still moist) and were much firmer.
We did observed that some lawn sprinkler heads were located very near the drainage swale,
especially along the southern portions of the swale. At one location a flexible pipe which
appeared to be a drainage pipe from the residence appeared to discharge near the swale location.
The soils encountered at the hand auger boring locations are considered to be slow draining soils.
The rate of infiltration of surface water into these soils will be very slow. The upper soils are
very wet to saturated and soft, and it appears that very little vertical infiltration into the underlying
soils occurs, based on their apparent lower water contents. Somewhat greater infiltration appears
to Occur at the location of the hand auger boring at 720 Westchester Avenue. At this location the
underlying soils, although basically a clayey soil, contain higher contents of sand.
Our services for this project have been conducted to those standards considered normal for
services of this type at this time and location. Other than this, no warranty, either express or
implied, is intended. If we can be of further service or you have additional questions, please
contact us.
Sincerely.
American Engineering Testing, Inc. !i~~~~
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Gar . Larson
Senior Engineering Assistant Principal Engineer
MN License No. 16688
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Bruce Loney
From: Hardwood [9310wrider@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 05,20078:44 PM
To: Bruce Loney
Subject: Re: meeting tonight
Thank you for taking the time meet with the neighbors and myself last Wednesday. I appreciate your
concern and the work you have put into helping us out with the situation.
After you left, the rest of us gathered to discuss our options. We agreed it would be in our best interest to
pursue the "19 lot" plan. We feel that if we are going to try and fix this problem, we should do the best
we can and not have to deal with anything in the future.
So we intend to ask the council to consider some financial input to help us out. After all, it is the city's
easement area and we now agree that costs will need to be absorbed by somebody. The homeowners
understand that Tollefson has agreed to contribute $5,000 in lieu of regrading to 1 %. We also agree that
we can afford to split the cost of half of the remaining amount. Weare willing to present the council
with the remaining cost, essentially asking to match what the homeowners will be paying to correct the
problem. This would represent a 3 way agreement to a resolution.
I think we should move foprward and ask for bids on this work. Can you arrange to have 2 or 3 bids
placed on this project based on your documentation of what needs to be done?
Hopefully we can then have solid figures to present to council on the 21 st. I intend to have as many
homeowners present as possible to help show the council that we are all in accord.
Thanks again Bruce. It's been nice working with you.
Howard
952-484-8338
P.S. Please feel free to forward this e-mail to Steve Menden and Tollefson Development.
Bruce Loney wrote:
Howard, we are set for a meeting tonight and Steve Menden will be there. Gary Wollschager cannot
be there but Matt Weiland for Tollefson will be. We will have an information package for those in
attendance and will see where the consensus is for what to do. I think Steve will be gone for the
August 8th council meeting so I would proposed that we go to the August 21st meeting when Steve
can be there. We can talk later after the meeting about this as well.
Bruce Loney
Public Works Director
Direct No. 952-233-9361
Fax No. 952-233-3801
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8/15/2007